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Dilation and Water - Mortal Enemies? [Oct. 23rd, 2008|03:16 pm]
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[auntysarah]
I've noticed in the past that if I get water in my vagina (say, for example, I stick a finger up there in the bath), any subsequent dilation is harder for a short while. The water seems to *increase* friction and tighten things up in there, and I guess it probably washes the lube off too (I use aquagel which is water based).

Yesterday afternoon, I went swimming and did a thousand metres, breast stroke. Yesterday evening I dilated, and had the hardest time getting the stent in that I've had for ages. I had to really shove it, which was a little painful, despite relaxing the pelvic floor muscles. Everything was just so incredibly tight and tense up there.

Anyone else get anything similar?
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From: lis0r
2008-10-23 02:25 pm (UTC)
Never really had such a problem, and I did, um, "dilate" in the bath for a while. I also tend to blast it out with the shower-with-no-head-on when it gets messy, being as I tend to be a bit of hygiene freak.

Perhaps you're relying on lube left from previous dilations? Or maybe a reaction to soap/chlorine in the water?
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[User Picture]From: auntysarah
2008-10-23 03:00 pm (UTC)
I suspect the latter - it did feel tighter, even when I withdrew and applied more lube.

I've been on antibiotics recently, which seems to have messed my vaginal flora up a bit, and that's probably not helping. I don't douche at all - found that it seems to keep itself clean that way if left alone for the right kind of bacterial colony to develop, and when I used to douche regularly I ended up with a most inconvenient case of bacterial vaginosis for my pains. I guess this is one of those YMMV things.
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From: lis0r
2008-10-23 03:17 pm (UTC)
Inded, highly personal, and highly variable - when I used to not bother to dilate in any form, it pretty much looked after itself. On the other hand, I know someone who has to Veet her insides regularly, or risk Toxic Shock Syndrome.
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[User Picture]From: auntysarah
2008-10-23 05:10 pm (UTC)
I've heard it actively recommended by medical professionals for those whose genital electrolysis did not go to plan.
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[User Picture]From: devida
2008-10-23 07:54 pm (UTC)
ok, now i'm really shi**in myself.
i've got surgery on the 3rd.
I saw Sara in Harrow multiple times and she thinks i'll be ok on the day.
now i'm worried cos i really, really, really donna wanna have to internally veet post-op.
:-(

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[User Picture]From: auntysarah
2008-10-23 09:27 pm (UTC)
Sara knows what she's talking about. If she says you'll be OK, she's probably right.

You inversion or flap?
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[User Picture]From: devida
2008-10-24 07:33 am (UTC)
ummm.. the more extensive of the two procedures.
i always get them muddled up so i'm gonna say... inversion.
maybe.
*blushing with embarrasment cos she can't remember something so simple*
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[User Picture]From: auntysarah
2008-10-24 09:24 am (UTC)
Flap's the more extensive of the two.

Anyway, you should be just fine - I'd trust Sara's judgement.
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From: lis0r
2008-10-24 08:23 am (UTC)
I wouldn't worry too much, this person had her groin job back in the days when genital electro wasn't mandatory, and wasn't easily available, hence she didn't have any.

Back then, a lot of people got away without having electro. I didn't have it, and other than sticking a few fingers up there to pull out a few hairs every few months, I'm fine.

The reason the UK surgeons tend to insist on it these days for private patients is precisely because of cases like above. I'm sure if you've had a few sessions, you've nothing to worry about.
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From: lis0r
2008-10-24 08:18 am (UTC)
Certainly - I'm told it's not pleasant, and one has to be very quick and time precise about it. But it's better than the alternative.
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[User Picture]From: radargrrl
2008-10-23 03:48 pm (UTC)
Swimming a kilometre is no problem for me.
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[User Picture]From: tekalynn
2008-10-23 04:19 pm (UTC)
Perhaps an idiotic response, since I haven't had that particular problem, but would tampons help in the future? Or are they impractical?

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[User Picture]From: auntysarah
2008-10-23 04:49 pm (UTC)
Looking at my cis female wife. She's shaking her head on this one.
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From: lis0r
2008-10-24 08:23 am (UTC)
Would they blow up like a balloon as soon as you got in the pool?
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[User Picture]From: tekalynn
2008-10-24 08:29 am (UTC)
Never happened to me....
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[User Picture]From: parmonster
2008-10-23 04:48 pm (UTC)
I think the chlorine is likely a big part of the problem. I went to a water park (super chlorinated) and wound up screaming bloody murder over it. I swam in a private pool (moderately chlorinated) and just had discomfort. I swam in my ex's pool (salinated, rather than chlorinated), and had no trouble.

I also...um...enjoy the bath spout from time to time... *ahem*cough* which can sometimes lead to...getting wet... this usually does not impact dilation...
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[User Picture]From: velvetlament
2008-10-23 05:06 pm (UTC)
I agree with the chlorine thing. Just think of how your arms and legs feel after you get out of the pool, all dried out and damaged.
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[User Picture]From: auntysarah
2008-10-23 05:08 pm (UTC)
That is a stonkingly good point.

Hmm, perhaps this calls for pushing a blob of lube up there afterwards, and just leaving it.

That, or not using breast stroke any more.
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[User Picture]From: velvetlament
2008-10-23 08:43 pm (UTC)
lube...or lotion.
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[User Picture]From: emmajnation
2008-10-23 11:00 pm (UTC)
Not being much of a swimmer, I'm puzzled by the link between the style of stroke and how likely you are to get water inside (unless 'bombing' is classed as a stroke!)
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[User Picture]From: auntysarah
2008-10-23 11:04 pm (UTC)
The legs ... they go sideways. It opens things up...
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[User Picture]From: emmajnation
2008-10-23 11:23 pm (UTC)
Ah, of course!
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From: lis0r
2008-10-24 08:31 am (UTC)
Hmm, I remember one of my school friends had a fancy new filter system on their pool that they were telling me about a year ago. It meant there were no additives in the water, but I can't remember if it was based on silver filters, or some sort of UV bombardment. I don't know whether this may have made it's way to any public/pseudo-public (e.g. gyms) down your way.
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From: lickmypeach
2008-10-23 06:39 pm (UTC)

umm

I can't say i have had this problem with my vag, after I have sex or otherwise use my vag I don't wash inside my vag, i just wash around my vag and valva with luke warm soapy water and and let things pretty much air dry if I can - I have never had any problems with lubrication or UI's. My mother told me a few years back when I needed the talk to always wash around but never in the vag as it has good bacteria inside which if you was away can lead to health issues - the bag is meant to be self-cleaning for the most part.

good luck..

lmp
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From: lis0r
2008-10-24 08:27 am (UTC)

Re: umm

I'm not so sure things are quite as simple with a transclunge - whilst they do have assorted flora and fauna, they don't have the same self cleaning properties.
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From: lickmypeach
2008-10-24 05:33 pm (UTC)

Re: umm

Hi,

I would have to disagree with you actually since my vag is not let us say mine from the beginning so I am in the same situation as a lot of people here and I don't have a problem. I talked to my gyno about it when I was last in for my yearly exam and she saw no reason why my vag would be any different - and she certainly saw no difference between my vag and a natal girl (she only knows as my stupid GP told her). I have had no problems with cleanliness or other things in vag. I never wash inside my vag, if I happen to use lube for sex or anything I just wash around my vag and wear a pad after.

well good luck with it,

lmp
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From: lis0r
2008-10-24 05:56 pm (UTC)

Re: umm

The main, and should be obvious to any qualified doctor, is that the transvag is comprised entirely of skin, so is essentially exterior to the body. The internals of a cisminge consist of assorted membranes, allowing, among other things, the body to have a proper immune response to the contents.

If your vag is in balance, then that's great, but transvag is more susceptible to being unbalanced, and less likely to restore itself, so requires a little more care.
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From: lickmypeach
2008-10-25 07:07 am (UTC)

Re: umm

I was under the impression that after a extended period of time the "trans" vag takes on the properties of a natal one. and actually my gyno, could not feel any difference when she did my pelvic exam. sure less then a few years after surgery i would have to agree with you the vag is skin, but after a few years that skin adapts to it's new home, otherwise how to explain lubrication in the "trans" vag? or other natal properties the vag takes on after a while? Certainly the skin which was used to make the vag did not have those properties before. anyways, it would interesting if someone studied this issue, I have only my own experience and some stuff I have read on the subject.
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[User Picture]From: cyberspice
2008-10-23 11:44 pm (UTC)
All the time. I get back and the first thing I have to do is to stick lube up there to make it comfortable....
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[User Picture]From: evelxxs
2010-03-04 05:01 pm (UTC)

looking forward to these problems

so not sure what i will do yet i am with a cis female and she really wants my penis, im sorta ok with it cause full srs is scary yet very much self wanted? yet costly . save money and sexual problems for me sorta...not
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