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Tedious Moderator Post [Nov. 15th, 2009|09:31 am]
Male to Female, however you choose to say it

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[auntysarah]
Hi everyone.

Recently there was a post by harutake in this comm. Now there is not, which means it got deleted.

This is not transgender with its epic dramas and equally epic list of community rules, we're kinda smaller and more sleepy here, and the rules we do have are shorter in number, more informal and hopefully easier to navigate around.

...which is why it's disappointing when one of the few very clear rules we have, "Don't delete stuff" is casually ignored, because it's not that hard a concept.

So to reiterate:

Don't. Delete. Stuff.

Ever.

Thank you for your attention,

GrumpySarah
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[User Picture]From: nicollegurrl
2009-11-15 10:42 am (UTC)
:-(
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[User Picture]From: radargrrl
2009-11-15 03:48 pm (UTC)
Maybe she deleted it herself.
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[User Picture]From: amokk
2009-11-15 05:34 pm (UTC)
That's the point. If you make a post, don't delete it.
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[User Picture]From: radargrrl
2009-11-15 05:39 pm (UTC)
If I make a post that, in retrospect, was a stupid or insensitive post to make, I should have the right to delete it. This isn't Slashdot, after all. Or is it?
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[User Picture]From: pandagenma
2009-11-15 06:43 pm (UTC)
I agree. People should be able to delete their own posts if they wish. I'm not really sure why the rule exists.
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[User Picture]From: auntysarah
2009-11-15 06:47 pm (UTC)
Please see below.
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[User Picture]From: auntysarah
2009-11-15 06:47 pm (UTC)
It's very clear.

Don't. Delete. Stuff.

The rule exists precisely so the moderators can see who said what in the case of drama/flame wars, etc.. If you want a post deleting, ask a moderator. Don't. Delete. Stuff.
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[User Picture]From: lilly_noodle
2009-11-15 03:49 pm (UTC)
but... but... what about spelling grammatical mistakes?! Is lilly allowed to delete those?

Just Kidding!

*gives you hugs and cupcakes*

Love you Mod Lady!!!

*scampers off before she gets in more trouble*
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[User Picture]From: auntysarah
2009-11-15 07:33 pm (UTC)
but... but... what about spelling grammatical mistakes?! Is lilly allowed to delete those?

Posts may be edited to correct spelling and grammar mistakes. Replies may be edited/deleted and a corrected version reposted for the same reason, as long as nobody has followed up to them.
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[User Picture]From: radargrrl
2009-11-15 07:33 pm (UTC)
Even though I'm not the one who deleted whatever in the first place, and I'm just standing up against a rule that, as far as I'm concerned, is just plain fucked up, I'm going to save you all the trouble of reading my posts. I'm gone.

By the way, Sarah Brown, your userpic for this little thread says it all.

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[User Picture]From: aki_no_kaze
2009-11-15 07:51 pm (UTC)
there is a rule for that too.
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[User Picture]From: amokk
2009-11-15 07:52 pm (UTC)
Flouncity flouncity flounce!
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[User Picture]From: aumentou
2009-11-16 10:26 am (UTC)
Bye then. *waves*
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[User Picture]From: canadian_adhd
2009-11-15 09:59 pm (UTC)
My posts are mine, and mine alone. I reserve the right to modify and/or delete them at my discretion.
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[User Picture]From: auntysarah
2009-11-15 11:05 pm (UTC)
In your own journal, that's absolutely fine. If you're going to participate in a community, however, it's a communal activity and as such there are rules. If you can't stick to the community rules, don't post here.
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[User Picture]From: aki_no_kaze
2009-11-16 12:41 am (UTC)
pretty much what Sarah said... if you want to post in the community, you abide by the community rules... if you don't want to abide by the rules, then you are welcome to go post elsewhere, or even create your own community to run how you see fit.
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From: peoria_bi_m
2009-11-21 08:35 am (UTC)
How about we vote? Seems like a large number of people think it's a bad rule. Weigh the pros vs cons of why you want to make this unusual rule continue. Figure out if it's needed for any practical purpose, when many of your members think it's useless and unbecoming.
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[User Picture]From: aki_no_kaze
2009-11-21 09:15 am (UTC)
unfortunately, the "users" only see on side of the issue.

when a mod tries to do their job, and sees "post deleted" our hands are pretty much tied, it becomes a she said/she said thing and we can never find out if what one person says happened was actually the truth, or if they made the whole thing up to attack someone they just didnt like.

The rule was added, quite a while back, because there was an issue with a member harassing other members, using extremely transphobic and misogynistic language, and deleting their posts before any of the mods could get to see them. Because there was no logs showing what they said, there was nothing the mods could do.

The rule is vital for the mods to do their job, the ability to delete posts is not vital for posters to do theirs. I'm sure someone will come in and say that I'm saying that our needs are more important then yours or some other such BS... but for the moderatership of this community to run smoothly, we need a record of what people say so that if a rule violation does take place, the violator can't simply cover their tracks and pretend like it never happened. Such a thing has happened in the past of mtf, it still happens in communities without that rule.... maybe if LJ allowed mods to get an email digest copy of every comment ever made on this community, so that if there was a dispute we would have a copy, then the rule would have no use... but as it is, what we see on the screen is the only record the mods have to see if anyone violated any rules. Deleting posts is basically tampering with evidence.

As auntysarah said, if people are really against the rule, they are welcome to go look at communities where there is no such policy, or even start their own. If someone would start a community that is as popular, helpful, supportive, safe and fun to be in as mtf I would consider it an extremely valuable addition to LJ, and the worldwide trans community as a whole.
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[User Picture]From: aumentou
2009-11-16 10:28 am (UTC)
If I comment on your post and you delete it, you also delete my comment. Even if you, as a matter of principle, wish to reserve control over your own posts, you can't claim that my comment is your work and therefore yours to delete.

So your basic problem here is that your first sentence is wrong. Once your post is commented on it is no longer yours.
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[User Picture]From: mb2u
2009-11-16 01:53 am (UTC)
Whatever. Nobody is going to win, nothing is going to change, so either leave, quit, or shut up and move on.
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[User Picture]From: siegeengine
2009-11-16 12:02 pm (UTC)
this post is drama.

not to be rude or anything, but couldn't you have just messaged the person who deleted the post in the first place and explained the rule?

see the resulting flame war and drama for "why."
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[User Picture]From: magicmessages
2009-11-17 06:29 am (UTC)
Agreed.
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From: peoria_bi_m
2009-11-21 08:25 am (UTC)
Thirded. I haven't seen LJ drama like this post has caused, in a LONG time. Way to FailMod!
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[User Picture]From: aki_no_kaze
2009-11-21 09:16 am (UTC)
if you think this is drama, you haven't been to many of the other trans communities on lj long :)
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From: peoria_bi_m
2009-11-21 09:24 am (UTC)
I don't use LJ much, anymore.
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